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freyed_end 82 ( +1 | -1 )
Pawn promotion This thread has probably been run through before but I did not see it... In my opinion ~~ a pawn should only be allowed to promote to 'Queen' if the promoting side does not have a Queen - I believe only the weakest player (even weaker than me) would actually need TWO QUEENS to finish what would be a Rook + Knight v/s Queen + Rook end-game - but instead of promoting to the missing Rook, my opponent promoted to a second Queen making it a Rook + Knight v/s Queen + Queen harruuummmppphhhh!!! This game did not happen on GameKnot and since you people are much better players, I thought I would petition your opinions... Admittedly when I was a brand new player I did play with Two Queens ONCE but now that I have a better understanding of Chess Etiquette.......... Well whatchooo think??
atrifix 34 ( +1 | -1 )
This would cause major changes to currently existing chess theory, for example, Q+P vs. Q+2P. A few situations which were wins with QQ vs. QQ would probably be reduced to draws with QR vs. QR, etc. At any rate, don't expect it to happen any time soon, since, well, the rules have pretty much stood since the late 1400s.
gooftrooper 23 ( +1 | -1 )
y not, it gets the job done quicker (most of the time) and if u blunder a queen away thru a silly mistake u still have another 1 left.

gooftrooper
philaretus 13 ( +1 | -1 )
This... .....would introduce the nanny spirit into chess. "No, you CAN'T have another Queen! You've already got one!.... Now go and wash your hands!"
vietnamese_girl_18 78 ( +1 | -1 )
Promoting to a queen, a second queen or otherwise, is supposed to be a very serious threat to the balance of the game. It is not there to make things more fun or more fair (what in chess is supposed to be fair?) but is there to give a serious boost in strength to the promoting player, usually a decisive boost. That's why much of chess play in the later stages of the game is a battle around the advance or blackading of pawns. You need that element of decisive promotion to bring the element of a deadly struggle-- meaning that the second queen can pretty much end the game; thus, the battle not only for mate, but for movement of pawns. It adds a second avenue of battle which only serves to make the game more of a struggle.

Sarah Train
vietnamese_girl_18 16 ( +1 | -1 )
My last name should be "Tran" not "Train." That may be the first time I misspelled my own name. I think I need to get some sleep,

Sarah, um, TRAN
philaretus 15 ( +1 | -1 )
Chess is not..... .....politically correct. To make it so, White and Black, instead of fighting, should march together hand in hand towards the radiant future.
taoistlunatic 39 ( +1 | -1 )
I once played a game... where I traded queens, promoted a pawn to a new queen, traded my queen for my opponent's rook, promoted another pawn to another queen, used my new queen to get rid of my opponent's passed pawns and sacrificed her in the run, promoted another pawn to a fourth queen, and my opponent finally resigned..... :) You can call me a weak player, but I enjoyed crushing my opponent in style.... three queen sacrifices!
certainratio 105 ( +1 | -1 )
Etiquette The original question mentioned etiquette.
While their are many unwritten rules of
chess etiquette, not promoting to a second
queen is not one of them. Their is no
violation of etiquette at all when a player
gains a second or third or even more queens
(although if the material balance is very
lopsided, the weaker side may have broken
the rule of etiquette regarding resignation).
In any case, the rules are fair, in that both
players abide by the same agreed upon rules
before the game begins.

Here is an interesting, real game in which
there occurred five queens on the board at once
(I apologize for the formatting):

Belov - Prohorov, Cheliabinsk 1991
1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 O-O 6.Be2 e5 7.O-O Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.Bg5 h6 10.Bxf6 Bxf6 11.b4
Bg7 12.c5 f5 13.Nd2 Kh7 14.Rc1 Ng8 15.cxd6 cxd6 16.Nb5 Nf6 17.Nc7 Rb8 18.Bd3 f4 19.Qa4 a6 20.b5 Nh5
21.f3 Rf7 22.b6 Bf8 23.Qb3 Ng7 24.Rc2 Qf6 25.Rfc1 Bd7 26.Bxa6 bxa6 27.Nxa6 Rb7 28.Rc7 Qg5 29.h4 Rxc7
30.Nxc7 Qxh4 31.b7 Nh5 32.b8Q Ng3 33.Qc4 Qh1+ 34.Kf2 Qh4 35.Kg1 Qh1+ 36.Kf2 Qh4 37.Kg1 Qh1+
38.Kf2 Qh4 39.Qb6 Be7 40.Nf1 Qh1 41.Nd2 Qh4 42.Ke1 Qh1+ 43.Nf1 Bh4
44.Kd2 Qxg2+ 45.Kc3 Ne2+ 46.Kb2 Nxc1+ 47.Kxc1 Qxf3 48.Ne6 Qa3+ 49.Kd2
Be7 50.Qcb3 Qa8 51.Qc7 Be8 52.a3 Qa6 53.Qcc4 Qa7 54.Qf3 Bh4 55.Qh3 g5
56.Nd8 Bd7 57.Qhc3 Rg7 58.Nc6 Qg1 59.Kc2 g4 60.Nb8 Be8 61.Nd2 Bg6 62.Qc8
Qg2 63.Nd7 Be7 64.Nxe5 dxe5 65.Qxe5 Bxa3 66.Qcc3 Bf8 67.d6 f3 68.d7 f2
69.d8Q f1Q 70.Qde7 Qf7 71.Qxf7 Bxf7 72.Qf5+ Kg8 73.Qfc8 Qf2 74.Qb4 Bg6
75.Qbc4+ Kh7 76.Qxg4 Bd6 77.Qce6 Bb4 78.Qd5 Rc7+ 79.Kd1 Bxd2 80.Qxd2
Qf1+ 81.Qe1 Rc1+ 82.Kxc1 Qxe1+ 0-1

CertainRatio
certainratio 20 ( +1 | -1 )
misspelling Change my first two "their"s to "there"
please. There really should be an option
to edit a message after you click on
"preview post" and before you click
on "post message now".

-CertainRatio
certainratio 20 ( +1 | -1 )
misspelling Change my first two "their"s to "there"
please. There really should be an option
to edit a message after you click on
"preview post" and before you click
on "post message now".

-CertainRatio
victord 13 ( +1 | -1 )
certainratio there is.....just back up (upper left) and it will bring up your written message, then you can make corrections.
philaretus 11 ( +1 | -1 )
Except that.... .....sometimes the backing up misfires, and you find yourself having to type in your message all over again. :(
bullmoose 36 ( +1 | -1 )
Yeah If it's a long post, quickly type CTRL-A (select all) and CTRL-C (copy) before hitting Preview/Post.
If the system loses your text, a CTRL-V (paste) will get it back.

}: )

P.S. I think the current rules of chess are fine re. promotions. It's very cool to promote to a knight, producing a winning fork - sometimes an overlooked move.
bullmoose 36 ( +1 | -1 )
Yeah If it's a long post, quickly type CTRL-A (select all) and CTRL-C (copy) before hitting Preview/Post.
If the system loses your text, a CTRL-V (paste) will get it back.

}: )

P.S. I think the current rules of chess are fine re. promotions. It's very cool to promote to a knight, producing a winning fork - sometimes an overlooked move.
certainratio 8 ( +1 | -1 )
thanks thanks for the information.
the system has lost my text before,
i'll try the CTRL-A ...

CertainRatio
gunnarsamuelsson 41 ( +1 | -1 )
foolish U would change and destroy the game with your idea. If u downgraded the pawnpromotion u would downgrade the the drama and magic of the game. Instead of ohh hes sacrificing his rook to get a 2 connected pawns !? Is he seing right??- no he can only get a new rook back for hes beautiful sacfifice!! - What is that !?? idiotic!! U would have the game dull , and after all isnt a farmers tools as deadly as any weapon at close range?
freyed_end 15 ( +1 | -1 )
Cool! At least every one agrees - now I can use two Queens without mixed feelings as to wether it's overkill - thanks for all the replys and sorry if the subject seemed silly...

-G