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maykx ♡ 28 ( +1 | -1 )
Caro-Kann's Advance Variation I just purchased a book "Complete Defense to King Pawn Openings" by Eric Schiller and it is written there that the Advance Variation (1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3. e5) is regarded as the "most feared weapon available to White" nowadays. Does anybody here have any idea why is this so?
bogg ♡ 41 ( +1 | -1 )
maykx As White manages a slightly below average performance with the Advance Variation of the Caro-Kann I would guess it is just more weak analysis by book a month Schiller. The only reason to buy a book by this author is to find out what weak lines are going to be popular at the club level where some of the players aren't strong enough to know how bad his analysis is.
maykx ♡ 14 ( +1 | -1 )
Bogg... ...Are you implying that Schiller is a bad chess analyst?

I'm an average player and I guess I couldn't tell in depth yet which analysis is bad and which is not.
bogg ♡ 65 ( +1 | -1 )
maykx E. Schiller's chess books are database dumps with bad suggestions and horrible analysis. He is rated about 2200 USCF and publishes a new book nearly every month. How good do you think his books can be?

Try sticking to books written by strong players. It isn't that E. Schiller couldn't write a good book if he actually worked at it, but he just cranks out a huge volume of junk.

I, for example, am working on a Bookup database on the Exchange French that I hope to market when finished. I am about 2300 USCF and to do a creditable job I expect it to take over a year to complete and I am familiar with the ideas already as I play the French.
brobishkin ♡ 84 ( +1 | -1 )
E. Schiller... Bogg does have a valid point about the increase produced lately by Schiller... But that's not to state that all his books are bad (which Bogg has stated "It isn't that E. Schiller couldn't write a good book") some are good... Just that he does stay away from commentary and depends more on database info rather than his own thoughts...

But the book "Complete Defense of King's Pawn Openings" is one of his better works in my opinion (but most definately not his best)... It all depends on if you want a computer analysis view or a professional view... But I would have to agree with Boggs statement about his book production procedures... They do fall short...

P.S. Bogg... By the time you reach 10 games, your rating is going to be sky high... You do realize this dont you?... The sting is stung...

bogg ♡ 62 ( +1 | -1 )
brobishkin Only if a miracle happens. As I have stated before, I only play chess to see if my studies are progressing, therefore I need a functional rating system to help me to determine if I am making any progress. While I find the game enthralling to study, actually playing chess isn't much fun and is certainly not lucrative. I will only be hanging around on the forums after I finish my games in progress.

In case I forget later:
I want to thank all of my opponents for the games, justus500 for helping to set them up, and Mike for creating a great site. While I don't like the 'rating' system the site in all other repects is fantastic.

brobishkin ♡ 31 ( +1 | -1 )
Bogg... Well stated and well said... Great site, and a needs improvement rating system... As for the game not being lucrative, one can increase his income playing the game professionally you know... Or even as in the writing of a few book too... But a FIDE or USCF rating can help boost the books sales as we all know here...

bogg ♡ 49 ( +1 | -1 )
brobishkin PS
I may not have made myself clear in my previous post. The miracle would be in reach 10 games. My 'rating' after my first 6 games should be about 2760 give or take 40 points, thanks for noticing. I guess when that gets to the 'ratings' page I will have to put up with complaints about my unfairly acquired 'rating'.

Unless you write at a level that requires little thought writing chess books pays about $3 an hour.
kaf1 ♡ 30 ( +1 | -1 )
Caro-Kann Advance Variation That "White manages a slightly below average performance" does not mean that the opening not can be feared. In the hands of tactical player this opening can be very dangerous, especially if black dont know the latest theory!

1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.Nc3 e6 5.g4! is very dangerous with a lot of wild tactics!
torre_tinorete ♡ 140 ( +1 | -1 )
Advance variation... The commentary was given by Schiller mainly because Karpov was loosing with the Advance variation back in 1995. He lost twice in that variation to Gata Kamsky and Gelfand! The plan mainly revolves on playing c4 for white and contesting the center right away. The recommendation given by Schiller of playing the Kavalek defense, for me is not good. I played this variation a couple of times and usually I find myself in a cramp and loosing position. I think its better to play ...Bf5 in the advance variation. Its still in keeping with the very purpose of the caro-kann... playing the bishop out before the center gets locked. Also, the Tal attack in Schiller's book is a little outdated. There is a better way of dealing with this attack. Look at some of GM Eric Lobron's games or other leading caro-kann players like Karpov and Seirawan on how they handle the variation.

By the way, I also have his book on the "Complete Defense to King Pawn Openings" and I must say that its a good read. Of course, some of the lines he gives is dubious, but the presentation of what are the basic plans for black in the caro-kann is good. He gives the IDEAS on why black plays the opening and what he desires to achieve. You can use this book as a stepping stone in playing the caro-kann. Later on, when you get to have a good grasp at it, you can do an updating on the variations of the opening.
maykx ♡ 98 ( +1 | -1 )
The book... ..regardless of how bad it is analyzed by its writer, is certainly a help for me. As an average player, I had never knew that Caro-Kann has had rich and exciting variations.

As for the Advance Variation, kaf1 has given an interesting point. Once, I think I encountered this situation, and I must study the latest theory about this (a help from anyone will be appreciated).

Like torre_tinorete, I used to play (and still doing experiment on it) Kavalek Variation (3...Na6). Kind'a a weird for me too because once White plays 4.c3 and Black 4...Bf5, Black's Q-side is very vulnerable. Maybe the move 3...Bf5 is still the best. I just don't know how to continue best. The book does not tackle this.

torre_tinorete, where do you usually play OTB? No chess club here in my place.
torre_tinorete ♡ 35 ( +1 | -1 )
Where I play... I don't play OTB chess anymore... but I usually play STC chess games in uschesslive. Its a site with a membership fee although they also offer a free membership with a limited access i.e. you can only play 15 games per day. The free membership is fine with me since I don't usually play blitz games anymore, only STC games.
premium_steve ♡ 73 ( +1 | -1 )
4.h4 advance variation here's a game i played with this opening just last weekend in an OTB tournament (crosstable at www.chess.nfld.net and click NF Chesstalk):

(2) steve - sullivan [B12]
aug 2003
1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 4.h4 h6 5.g4 Bd7 6.h5 e6 7.Be3 Qb6 8.Bd3 c5 9.dxc5 Qxb2 10.Nd2 Qxe5 11.Ne2 Qc7 12.Rb1 e5 13.Nc3 Bc6 14.Nb5 Bxb5 15.Bxb5+ Nc6 16.Nb3 d4 17.Bd2 Nf6 18.c3 Rd8 19.cxd4 exd4 20.Qf3 Qe5+ 21.Kd1 Qd5 22.Re1+ Be7 23.Qxd5 Nxd5 24.Bxc6+ bxc6 25.Nxd4 0–0 26.Nxc6 Nc3+ 27.Kc2 Rxd2+ 28.Kxc3 Bg5 29.a4 Rxf2 30.Re4 Rf3+ 31.Kc4 Rf6 32.Ne7+ Kh7 33.c6 Bf4 34.Rb7 Re8 35.c7 Rc6+ 36.Nxc6 Rxe4+ 37.Kd5 Re8 38.Rb8 Line

i think i'll have to find another way to play this opening as white. my opponent (it seems to me) has an equal or better game pretty quickly here, but made a few bad mistakes.
A friend of mine tells me that 5.Nc3 in this variation is a good alternative to 5.g4. I'll have to look for some examples, I think. Does anyone here know any?

Thanks :)
atrifix ♡ 9 ( +1 | -1 )
Personally if I were going to play against the Caro-Kann advance, I would play 3... c5.
premium_steve ♡ 3 ( +1 | -1 )
is... 4.c4 a playable move against 3...c5. ?
maykx ♡ 29 ( +1 | -1 )
Atrifix' 3...c5 is also one major possible continuation for Black. I just don't know the best continuation just like if I move 3...Bf5. Can anybody help? Don't worry, I'm not asking this to cheat against my current opponents using the Advance variation. I'm using the Kavalek variation as of this moment.
maykx ♡ 43 ( +1 | -1 )
Steve.... I have a current mini-tourney going on "Caro-Kann Defence" you may want to join. Against my opponent, I used the same variation, 4.h4 (see board #1040857). But it seems like I'm not doing well.

I started this thread to know whether or not Advance variation is to be feared. I hope I find help from some good GK players.
deputy1 ♡ 13 ( +1 | -1 )
Benoni Would anyone give me continueation fom this game
Deputy Dawg28 Engalnd - Drand (Poland)
1d4 e6 10 e4 N-h5
2c4 c5 11 B-e3 0-0
3 Nf3 Nf6 12 B-e2 N-f6
4 d5 e6xc5
5 c4xd5 d6
6 Nc3 g6
7 B-f4 B-g7
8 Q-a4 B-d7
9 Q-b3 Q-c7
loreta ♡ 31 ( +1 | -1 )
Just my humble opinion Advance variation is good for White, but I've felt comfortably enough to play it as Black... I still think the Classical (3. Nc3) gives the longest positional pressure to Black but Black has strong defensible position as well.
Anyway, I've some suspicion about 3. ... c5 (in Advance) and don't play it {as well as Black and White}
peppe_l ♡ 177 ( +1 | -1 )
I am not a strong C-K player But IMO many chess players overestimate the importance of openings - "if I study x variation I will crush all C-K players" is very common misconception :-)

At our level it is relatively unimportant is the position = or +/= or even =/+ because he who understands the position better, is sharper in tactics and knows endgames better, wins.

All main lines vs C-K are good, be it 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 or 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 or 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.f3 or whatever.

None of them guarantees an advantage in all variations, although some of them may give better chances for small edge than others (not very important below master level).

After 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5 (most common reply) there are many lines to choose from, and if I was 1.e4 player I would simply choose the one that applies to me in terms of style and required theoretical knowledge. I would propably choose positional 4.Nf3 5.Be2 but more agressive (AND hard-working!) players would propably choose sharp and theoretical 4.Nc3 5.g4 (a line I skip by playing 4...h5!? when White can say goodbye to kingside pawn storming and early tactical complications).

Still, in the end of the day we are back to square one - he who understands the position better, is sharper in tactics and knows endgames better, wins.

The quest for "magical line vs C-K" will not help.

Like Finnish GM Jouni Yrjölä (an author of book Explosive Opening Repertoire) says : "the most important thing about opening is to reach a position one likes to play" :-) The rest is up to how we handle the more important aspects of the game.

If someone really wants to know my opinion, to me main line and Panov attack have been most challenging (but fun to play, so forget the usual "when I play x move, all C-K players will fear me!" :-))) although as a rule in the hands of of strong player all lines are dangerous, but in the hands of not-so-strong player none of them is...

Just my 2 cents