kasparovfan
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Wat to play against the Pirc? I have to play the club championship final against someone ranked much higher than me I've heard he plays the Pirc with black. What can I play against that? I don't know any opening theory relating to it.
Thanx, René
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philaretus
10 ( +1 | -1 )
If you don't want to play against the Pirc, then why invite it? Play an opening other than 1.e4.
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kasparovfan
24 ( +1 | -1 )
I always play e4 I always play e4. That's the only move I have some form of opening repertoire with. But I have no clue what to do against it. I'm sure move 2. is d4, but after that I have no idea what the strategic goals are.
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philaretus
15 ( +1 | -1 )
Well, one strategy would be to try to steer the opening into a Sicilian Defence, by delaying d4 until he plays c5.
Don't tell me you haven't studied the Sicilian!
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bucklehead
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At least "Pirc" is easier to spell than "Ufimzev" I'm certainly no expert, but you should be able to prepare yourself adequately if you just stick to general opening principles. Black makes no immediate claim to the center, allowing white to take space and build a pawn center. The trick is, of course, that black will soon begin attacking this phalanx from the flank (often with ... c5 or ... e5 supported by the fianchettoed KB), and white had better be prepared for the onslaught. So take some territory in the center, but not more than you can hold; concentrate on development and piece coordination; and when the time comes to open up some files, be sure it's to your advantage, and that you're not letting the tiger out of its cage.
Another option, of course, is to get into a King's Indian Attack setup (1 e4 2 d3 3 g3 4 Bg2 5 Nf3 6 Nbd2, or whatever order suits), which you can do against almost any response to 1 e4. You give black a good degree of freedom, but you will at least be a tough nut to crack. Best of luck!
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bucklehead
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PS Hey philaretus, when you say "Play an opening other than 1.e4," you aren't thinking by any chance of 1 g4!? ;)
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kasparovfan
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philaretus OK, so if I delay d4 until he plays c5, what is my second move after e4? Nf3?
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caldazar
95 ( +1 | -1 )
Since you don't know any Pirc theory, try approaching the problem from a different angle by considering the opening as a middlegame position. For instance, in the Pirc, a typical Black setup is one with ...d6, ...Nf6, ...g6, ...Bg7, and ...O-O. So create a fantasy position for White; what five pawn/piece moves (within reason) would you like to have made in that time? After you have those five moves, what additional moves would you like to make, ones that continue or highlight any initial ideas that were contained in your first five fantasy moves? Moves that restrict Black's plans should also be considered. For instance, if you chose 1. e4 and 2. d4, ...c5 would be a logical Black idea to give more scope to Black's g7 bishop and undermine the pawn center you created.
This will give you an idea of what to do and hopefully land you in positions you feel comfortable playing.
philaretus
21 ( +1 | -1 )
kasparovfan If you don't already know about it, visit this site and explore the opening for yourself:
www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer
furryfunbundle
33 ( +1 | -1 )
Also try... www.ex.ac.uk/~dregis/DR/openings.html
Go down the page to "Openings for Beginners" and select Playing White against odd Black lines {C}, half way down the page (item 4 of the outer indentations) covers the Pirc very well.
rgds
v_glorioso12
2 ( +1 | -1 )
a good line against the pirc is... 1.e4 d6; 2.d4 Nf6; 3.Nc3 g6; 4.Be3 Bg7; 5.Qd2 0-0; 6.h3
and just attack him :D:D:D
eurookie
57 ( +1 | -1 )
unorthodox answer to the pirc
i don't like it when blacks king tries to hide behind his (kings-)bishop and knight.
i have played 2.f4 once - this will allow you to drive away the Knight on f6 in a early stage of the game. also, with pawns on c3, d4, e5 - his kings bishop will be powerless. moreover, if you manage it to open the f-file, after O-O you'll have a lot of pressure on the kingside.
please check on it yourself, before you make use of it. I've never read about 1.e4 d6 2. f4 ...
and i didn't find any games in databases. if anyone has some material about that line, pls let me know.
yours
sualksnh
215 ( +1 | -1 )
1.e4 d6 2.f4 d5!? 1.e4 d6 2.f4 d5!? is quite interesting. The white pawn on f4 is of little value in this position.
[Event "Sigeman & Co Malmoe SWE"]
[Site "Malmoe SWE"]
[Date "2002.??.??"]
[White "Short,N"]
[Black "Timman,J"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2673"]
[BlackElo "2616"]
[ECO "B00"]
[Round "7"]
1. e4 d6 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 Nf6 4. Nf3 Nxd5 5. d4 g6 6. Bc4 Bg7 7. O-O O-O
8. Bb3 Bg4 9. c3 e6 10. h3 Bxf3 11. Qxf3 c5 12. dxc5 Qc7 13. Bxd5 Qxc5+ 14. Be3 Qxd5
15. Qxd5 exd5 16. Rd1 Rd8 17. Nd2 Nc6 18. Nb3 b5 19. Rd2 a5 20. Nd4 Nxd4 21. Bxd4 b4
22. Bxg7 1/2-1/2
[Event "TCh-ESP"]
[Site "Cala Galdana ESP"]
[Date "2001.??.??"]
[White "Martin Gonzalez,An"]
[Black "Teran Alvarez,I"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2425"]
[BlackElo "2396"]
[ECO "B00"]
[Round "4"]
1. e4 d6 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 Nf6 4. Bc4 Nxd5 5. Nc3 Nb6 6. Bb3 g6 7. Nf3 Bg7
8. d4 O-O 9. Ne5 Nc6 10. Be3 Na5 11. Qf3 Nxb3 12. axb3 c6 13. Ne2 f6 14. Nd3 e5
15. O-O e4 16. Qxe4 Bg4 17. Ndc1 Re8 18. Qd3 Qe7 19. Kf2 Bf5 20. Qd2 Nd5 21. Ng3 Qxe3+
0-1
[Event "1st It A"]
[Site "Salou ESP"]
[Date "2000.??.??"]
[White "Montell Lorenzo,J"]
[Black "Oratovsky,M"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2327"]
[BlackElo "2486"]
[ECO "B00"]
[Round "7"]
1. e4 d6 2. f4 d5 3. exd5 Nf6 4. c4 c6 5. Nc3 cxd5 6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. Nf3 Nc6
8. Bc4 e6 9. d4 Bb4 10. Bxd5 exd5 11. O-O O-O 1/2-1/2
[Event "Open"]
[Site "Novgorod RUS"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[White "Beshukov,S"]
[Black "Ivanov,T"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2511"]
[BlackElo "2390"]
[ECO "B00"]
[Round "5"]
1. e4 d6 2. f4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. c3 Bg4 6. h3 Bxf3 7. Qxf3 e6
8. d3 f6 9. exf6 Nxf6 10. Na3 Bd6 11. Be2 O-O 12. g4 Qe7 13. Bd2 Rae8 14. O-O-O a6
15. Nc2 b5 16. Rde1 Qc7 17. f5 exf5 18. g5 Ne4 19. dxe4 dxe4 20. Qg2 Ne5 21. Kb1 c4
22. Nd4 Qd7 23. Ref1 Nd3 24. g6 h6 25. Rxf5 Rxf5 26. Bg4 Bf4 27. Bxf5 Qd5 28. Bxf4 Nxf4
29. Qg4 e3 30. Qf3 Qe5 31. Bc2 e2 32. Re1 b4 33. Nc6 Qg5 34. Qf2 bxc3 35. bxc3 Rf8
36. Qb6 Qh4 37. Qg1 Qg5 38. Ne7+ Kh8 39. Qd4 Qg3 40. Nf5 Qxe1+ 41. Kb2 Rb8+ 42. Bb3 0-1
[Event "Politiken Cup"]
[Site "Copenhagen DEN"]
[Date "1999.??.??"]
[White "Danielsen,Hen"]
[Black "Skytte,R"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2512"]
[BlackElo "2338"]
[ECO "A02"]
[Round "4"]
1. f4 d6 2. e4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. Nf3 Nc6 5. Nc3 Bg4 6. Bb5 e6 7. Bxc6+ bxc6
8. d3 Nh6 9. O-O Nf5 10. Qe1 h5 11. Na4 Qb8 12. b3 c4 13. dxc4 a5 14. c5 Qb4
15. Be3 Qe4 16. Bd2 Qxc2 17. Bc3 Bxf3 18. Rxf3 Be7 19. Rc1 Qe4 20. Qd2 d4 21. Bxa5 g5
22. Bc7 Rg8 23. Nb6 gxf4 24. Rxf4 Rxa2 25. Qxa2 Qe3+ 26. Rf2 Qxc1+ 27. Rf1 Qe3+ 28. Kh1 Kf8
29. Qa8+ Kg7 30. Qxc6 d3 31. Bd6 Nd4 32. Qa4 Bh4 33. Qa7 Nf5 34. Qb7 d2 35. Nc4 Qe1
36. Qf3 Kh6 37. Qd1 Ne3 38. Rxe1 dxe1=Q+ 39. Qxe1 Bxe1 40. Nxe3 Ra8 41. g3 Ra3 42. Nc2 Rxb3
43. c6 Ba5 44. Nd4 Rc3 45. Ne2 Rxc6 46. Nf4 Bc7 0-1
[Event "?"]
[Site "Helsinki ch"]
[Date "1996.??.??"]
[White "Vaatainen,Timo "]
[Black "Fieandt,John "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A02"]
[Round "6"]
1. f4 d6 2. e4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bf5 5. Bb5+ c6 6. Bd3 Qc7 7. g3 e6
8. Nf3 h5 9. Qe2 Be7 10. b3 h4 11. Bb2 Bxe4 12. Bxe4 Nf6 13. O-O-O Nbd7 14. f5 O-O-O
15. fxe6 Nc5 16. Bf5 g6 17. Bh3 hxg3 18. hxg3 Rxh3 19. Rxh3 Nxe6 20. Ne5 Nd4 21. Bxd4 Rxd4
22. Rh8+ Bd8 23. Rf1 Re4 24. Qd3 Rxe5 25. Rxf6 Qe7 26. Rxf7 Qa3+ 27. Kd1 Rd5 28. Qe3 Qa5
29. c4 Rd6 30. a4 Qb4 31. Ke2 1-0
[Event "?"]
[Site "Kishinev iztw"]
[Date "1995.??.??"]
[White "Lu Xiaosha "]
[Black "Sheremetieva,Marina "]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B00"]
[Round "?"]
1. e4 d6 2. f4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. d4 e6 5. Bd3 Nh6 6. Nf3 Be7 7. O-O O-O
8. Bxf5 Nxf5 9. g4 Nh6 10. h3 Kh8 11. Nc3 c5 12. Ne2 Nc6 13. c3 cxd4 14. Nexd4 Nxd4
15. Nxd4 Bc5 16. Be3 Qe7 17. Qd2 Rac8 18. Rae1 Bb6 19. Kh1 Ng8 20. f5 exf5 21. Nxf5 Qe6
22. Bxb6 axb6 23. Nd6 Rc7 24. Qf2 Rd7 25. Qxb6 Qg6 26. Qb5 Qe6 27. Qd3 Rc7 28. Qf5 Qe7
29. Qf3 Qe6 30. a4 g6 31. Qf4 Rd7 32. Nb5 Rdd8 33. Nd4 Qe7 34. e6 f6 35. h4 h6
36. h5 f5 37. Qe5+ Rf6 38. hxg6 Re8 39. Rxf5 Qg7 40. Rxf6 Nxf6 41. Rf1 1-0
tyekanyk
69 ( +1 | -1 )
I can Give you a more aggressive plan if you're feeling up to the task. Here goes. 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.f4 Bg7 5.Nf3 O-O 6.Bd3 . Here there are several lines. If he likes attacking he'll probably go for 6...Na6 and it is here that you can implement the typical attacking plan, which is actually taken from the Sveshnikov Sicilian. 7.O-O c5 8.d5 . After closing the centre you should move for his castled king. The way to do so is by playing hte foolowing moves: f5, Qe1, Qh4, Bh6, Ng5 with the idea of fxg6, Bxg7, Rxf6 and Qxh7. The main drawback is that if he survives the onslaught he gets the e5 square, but if you're good it won'r come to this.
About other alternatives on move six there are Nbd7, a6, c6 and Nc6, which is the only moves that equalises to the best of my knowledge.
Hope that helped!
v_glorioso12
21 ( +1 | -1 )
in autstrian attack... if black plays right he can usually equalize...does anyone know about how to play against the 150 attack? whenever i play black in my games, and white plays 150 attack, i usually lose... ;-(
luis_on
11 ( +1 | -1 )
Here's what you can play! I've got a nice site for you if you're looking for Pirc's refutation:
alumni.plymouth.edu/~zrstephen02/DIEPIRCDIE.html
Cheers,
wayneinco
19 ( +1 | -1 )
pirc def Remember me, you defeated me when I was just starting back in chess. Try Knight to f3(Reti's opening and after his reply of d6 then you respond d4 which may change his mind about playing e5.
premium_steve
62 ( +1 | -1 )
4. Bg5 like the Bg5 variation better than f4...
here's a game i lost with it, but i think i was doing pretty well in the opening
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(1) Martin,S - Tsui,E [B07]
NL Open 2003
1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Bg5 Bg7 5.f4 c5 6.e5 dxe5 7.dxe5 Nfd7 8.Nd5 Nc6 9.Qd2 0-0 10.Bb5 f6 11.Bh4 e6 12.exf6 Nxf6 13.Nxf6+ Bxf6 14.Qxd8 Bxd8 15.Bxd8 Nxd8 16.Rd1 a6 17.Be2 Nc6 18.g3 Nd4 19.Bd3 Bd7 20.Be4 Nxc2+ 21.Kd2 Nd4 22.Kc3 e5 23.fxe5 Be6 24.b3 Rad8 25.Nf3 Nb5+ 26.Kb2 Bg4 27.Rdf1 Bxf3 28.Bxf3 Rd2+ 29.Kc1 Rfd8 30.Rhg1!? Rxa2 31.Rd1 Rxd1+ 32.Rxd1 Nd4 33.Bxb7 Ne2+ 34.Kb1 Nc3+ 35.Kc1 Nxd1 36.Kxd1 Kf8 37.Kc1 a5 38.h4 Rh2 39.Bd5 Ke7 40.Kd1 Rh3 41.Kc2 Rxg3 42.Kb2 h5 43.Ka3 Rg4 44.Bc4 Rxh4 45.Ka4 Rxc4+ 46.bxc4 Ke6 47.Kxa5 Kxe5 0-1
game viewer>> www.chess.nl.ca/games/martinvstsui31082003.htm
wayneinco
33 ( +1 | -1 )
anti-Pirc Me again, Love to play vs Pirc. Try the Bishops opening/Guico Piano it matches up well against it and you can play your e4 opening you like. 1.e4, d6 2.Bc4, e5 3.Nf3, Bg4 4.Nc3 then if he plays 4....a6 in prep for b5 you respond with 5.Nxe5, Bxd1(Q) 6.Bxf7ch, Kd7forced 7.Nd5mate (Legal's mate) also in responce to a6 in other lines a4 stops the b5 advance.